Tuesday, November 15, 2005

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~Addendum: Posted: 16 Nov 2005: 6.00pm~

There's a whole lot of people trying to make a point in my comments box that I've gotten one thing wrong over the other. Heck, I'm even scrutinised over the meaning of a single word i mis-used. So for the umteenth time, the post below is my honest opinion on an issue whihc is close to my heart. I have done no research on it before or after the posting, and I do not claim to be an expert in the mentioned topic, nor do i claim to have relevant experience. So, stop picking on my little mistakes here and there and read the article for it essence.

If you want to argue your point of view, I welcome you. But if you have nothing to argue about, and you would just like a swipe at me, then please don't waste my comment space. Bomb my mailbox instead. I do not wish to get myself entangled in childish punches below the belt and hope that you would do the same. If you have nothing solid to bring to discuss about the matter, please just leave this post alone and act as if you've never came here.

p.s. Thanks Lainie

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It's one of those days that I come into the office blank in the mind.

So I guess I'll just ramble until something props up.

I haven't done this in a long time now, but since this issue is getting so much airtime on the mass media, let's discuss about it.

"When Man loves Man, and can't get married legally, change one Man into woMan."

That's exactly what happened up north a few days ago. Well, the issue is not about the couple's marriage but the thing that they got 3 churches to preside over the wedding. I'm glad that it had nothing to do with the Anglican Church. We've gotten enough bad publicity already with the homosexual bishop in the USA.

Well, the issue that should be debated is that whether we should allow such a thing to happen in the church? Everyone knows that homosexuality is something that is classified as 'unnatural sex'. If is was natural, then it wouldn't need the help of any petroleum based jelly. And if it was natural, then us humans would have to be classified as asexual.

I'm not saying that homosexuals are doomed for hell and that they deserve to be there, but the fact that there are 3 churches who simultaneously presided over this un-holy union of sorts. This doesn't only mean that they endorse this move of changing one's sex. This is called altering God's creation at your own will. The person has successfully killed off the person the he should have been and started a life of 'her' own. If God wanted the fella to be a woman, He would've made him a woman from the womb.

Most homosexuals are not homosexuals by mistake. They consciously or sub-consciously made a choice to do so. Most homosexuals become homosexuals because of thier past. Maybe the fella came from a dysfunctional family, maybe his parents didn't teach him properly what is a girl, and what is a boy. Maybe something happened to his mother or father and he has reacted in hatred towards the entire male/female population and can't find the breakthrough in his heart and mind to overcome the problem.

In the quest for love, they are willing to go to great lengths to find acceptance and fulfillment. Sometimes, they find it in the wrong place. Sometimes, because they have not overcome thier problems, they fail in their attempts to start a 'normal' relationship. This is because in the back of thier mind, they have a certain trauma that is blocking them from going on with a 'normal' relationship. Maybe they have witnessed their own family breaking down because the father cheated on the mother or vice-versa, and they cannot bring themselves to trust the opposite gender. Some of them have been abused by a parent and have a fear that they will be abused in the same way by thier partner. (I'm speaking in generalities here).

But anyway, these people who cannot bring themselves to break-free from thier past will not be able to have a 'normal' relationship because they are mentally unable to accept and trust their partners. This brings them to look for others who share their same plight. And when they do so, they find 'love' in those who share thier hurt. And later, this love turns into lust, and once they step over that line, they will consciously live thier lives according to the stereotypes of a homosexual.

The basis of meaning making lies in the process of stereotyping. And the basic building block of stereotypes are binaries. Not the computer 101010 binaries, but binaries whereby meaning is made from determining two opposites. You need to understand hot and cold together. You cannot say something is hot without referring to something that is cold. You can only determine what is good with reference to what is bad. The process of meaning making works together in pairs.

Now, the binary involved in homosexuality is 'Boy or Girl'.

My lecturer always told us that we are stereotype from birth. Once the doctor pulls you out of your mother's womb, and announces "It's a boy!" then you will live your life as a boy... you will learn to love cars, gadgets, wear pants, like sports, and the like. But this process can be slanted in a way by refering to Freud and Lachan's Oedipal Complex. When a child is still lin its infancy, it identifies with its parents. And using the reference from the abovementioned boy, if he cannot find his father figure, then he will start to identify himself with his mother or someone who is bringing him up. This is where things get confused. So, infancy to a baby is very important. That is why if you do not have the time and resources to bring up a child, do not get your wife pregnant. If you are always not at home, don't get a child. Because only God knows who this child will look up to. If your daughter is brought up by a woman, then fine. But if your child is constantly brought up in the company of women, with no father figure to look up to, you can't blame him that he grows up to be effeminate.

So, there you go. The theory of the formation of a homosexual. It's all in the mind and in your previous experience.

Word of caution to those who are vying for a child. Do not get yourself a child unless you are ready to sacrifice a bit of your career. If you're not at home most of the time, and the child cannot find his father figure or her mother figure, then it's your fault that he/she turns out to be 'queer'.

Coming back to the church, I do feel that it is preposterous that they could find 3 churches to acknowledge their matrimony. I mean, love the sinner, but hate the sin... However what message are the 3 churches telling the world? That Christianity blesses this kind of marriage? That it is OK to change your sex if you're not happy with who you are???

With this ONE SINGLE marriage, the church has degraded itself into new depths. By ackowledging ONE marriage, they have just made a statement that Christianity is OK (and even endorses) with homosexual marriage by presiding over the marriage of two men. Well, if they say that one guy changed his gender, then they are endorsing the change of gender.

And I wonder why there were 3 churches??? I mean, if the the 'bride' is the member of ONE church and she got the pastor to agree with her, and the groom was a member of the SECOND church, then it makes sense of having two churches presiding over the marriage. But where does the THIRD church come from? To be there to strengthen the marriage and to further acknowledge the 'un-holy' matrimony?

What is this world coming to??? Why can't a guy just lust after a girl and be happy with it??

75 Comments:

Anonymous miche said...

the end is very very near, brother. :D

November 15, 2005 2:12 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

habislah...

November 15, 2005 2:55 pm  
Anonymous Eric said...

Oh no!!! What are the odds of me getting married to a "man" who I thought was a "woMan"???

November 15, 2005 5:31 pm  
Blogger lainieyeoh said...

First of all....I find your analysis of homosexuality somewhat....lacking.

Anyhow, the church has always evolved, albeit slowly. this could be a sign of times to come. Don't worry la, long time more.

November 15, 2005 8:48 pm  
Blogger BeaWuzHere said...

hmm....here's a solution to ur 3 churches conundrum...

1 - the Man's
2 - the woMan's
3 - the xMan's

hahahaha XP

November 15, 2005 9:30 pm  
Anonymous bart said...

Wow. I wonder how many gay folks you interviewed in forming your opinion. I'm going to take a chance and guess 'not many'.

First of all, petroleoum-based jelly? (water-based is better for one, btw) Theres women who need a little lube to have comfortable intercourse. Does that mean they're love lives are unnatural as well?

A lot of what you put forth as arguments about homosexuality sound like something one would find off godhatesfags.com--about choice and trauma and so forth. The truth is, no one knows what the cause of homosexuality is, but science's best guess is that is has to do with pre-natal hormones--not a choice, then right? And that gender identity (NOT sex-tipe. GI is the gender a person feels they are) is determined by the time one is 2 years old. How can a 2 year old *choose* to be gay or transexual?

I'd also like to ask about your hot vs. cold analogy? What about warm? luke-warm? tepid? cool? Humans aren't black-and-white 'binary' creatures. To insist they are denies all the other possibilities. Even biologically theres intersx infants (what used to be called hermaphoridites) surely they didn't *choose* to be born with those bodies? How do they fall into your 'binary' beliefs?

So, please, so a little more research and cover all the bases, not just the ones supporting your opinion, before making broad, sweeping statements about subjects you clearly haven't looked that deeply into.

And btw; all this talk on God? People can interpret things the way they want. Why does every church have to believe the same way? I believe any love is good, regardles of the particular body-shape of the participants.

November 16, 2005 5:30 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Lainie: It was just my opinion. No matter how 'lacking' it is, I did not, ini the first place, claim that I am any expert in the matter, nor I claim that I did any research. I quoted my lecturer, and I wrote out of memory and understading of the matter. Sorry if i had missed a few points.

Bart: It seems that you are the better protector of the homosexuals. but then if I wanted to, I could copy and paste your comment and change a few points and it'll look as if i have successfully rebutted your opinion.

Well, since you've got my testosterone pumping, i might as well;

1. A woman that needs lubes to perform intercourse can only mean two things - The guy's not into some old fashioned foreplay, or she has some medical condition which is means she is 'sick' in a sense.

2. Two year olds do not consciously choose to be gay or homosexual, they were affected in their sub-conscious minds when they cannot find the 'correct' gender to identify themselves with. If I am was born a boy, (Presence of the phallus on my body) and if I grow up with my father (phallic figure) not around, then I will grow up knowing only about the female figure. That will 'potentially' make me more 'in-tune' with my feminine side.

3. You have misunderstood the concept of binaries. Binaries are there for you to "make meaning". If you did not know how to distinguish between what is hot and what is not, then when I ask you "hot or not?" how would you answer me?. It is not used to gauge the relativity of things.

But if you replace it with boy or girl, then it simply means a total of 99% of the entire world's population. The intersex-ed infants are the exception to the general rule. and I believe that there are no more than 0.01 percent of them in this whole-wide-world. Why then are you basing yourself against the minute minority in this world? Excuse me, but to drive this point across, I would have to go as far as to deem them 'mutants'. This is because they weren't born 'normal' as compared to the 99% of the world.

Now regarding the church, and this is an issue that I am very concerned about. If you think that the above mentioned argument was stupid and did not counter argue your points, then fine.

But it seems that you have a different concept of God as compared to me. For me, I do not attempt to interpret what God is. If I can define what God is, then I am the determinant of my God. Then God is a product of my mind? And I can restrict God within the boundaries of what I want to interpret Him as? If that is the case, then i should ask you to reconsider whether You are God or God is God...

And love is indeed good. And I support love truly. But there are borders that cannot be tresspassed. Sin is sin, as per defined by the Bible (well, this argument depends on how you would like to define the Bible since it's at YOUR mercy what you choose to believe in). And no matter how you can love a person, if he is sinful, then he is sinful. And the church, being the protector of moral in this society, has just acknowledged a sinful act.

Well, maybe they have lower standards when determining what is sin when compared to other churches, but that doesn't make the other churches not loving. And this does not mean that I hold a grudge against the homosexual community.

November 16, 2005 10:00 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Bart: I forgot something. Seems to me that your comment wasn't backed up by any research as well. No quotes, no stats, no credibility...

so, cover your bases before you asked someone to do the same. If i'm not wrong, this is bordering hypocracy?

November 16, 2005 10:08 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Oh, Bart, If you could form a credible argument and pick up where I am wrong, I would gladly put it up in a dedicated posting by itself.

I am a scholar, and do not reject knowledge. You have opened my mind to a different perspective. But if you can't argue it properly, then it amounts to a waste of time on both our parts. So for the benefit of all the readers... could you kindly do us all a great favour... and enlighten us...

November 16, 2005 10:12 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let God decides how to go about with people who are gay, but as far as for all religiously inclined people are concerned, being judgemental is a sin alone.

November 16, 2005 4:23 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Anon: Firstly, i think (judge) that you are a coward because you leave a comment without identifying yourself. So help me God. And since I know nothing about your nature nor your faith, i shall discuss this with you from the Biblical point of view. See you forced me to judge you.

Anyhow, if the church does not judge what is right and what is wrong, in accordance with the Word of God, then won't it become like a free-for-all market place, like the one Jesus over-turned in the Temple? Then Jesus sinned against God because He judged that it was not right for the people to be doing business in the house of God?

When something is wrong, it is wrong. When the Bible says that "Do not Kill", then whoever kills has sinned. Where does judgement come into this picture?

If my memory doesn't fail me, there are countless verses in the Bible that clearly states 'Sexual Immorality' which includes sodomy, incest, prostitution, and homosexuality. So... Tell me... Doesn't "the marriage" 'at least' fall under one of these?

This is not a matter of judgement. This is about standing up for something that you believe in. If one of your family member tainted the honour of your father's house, you will feel the same.

The 3 churches tainted the name of God.

November 16, 2005 4:42 pm  
Blogger yuin said...

tsk tsk tsk...
do you even know what asexual means?

November 16, 2005 5:35 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

asexual: No gender... at the same time having both genders...

November 16, 2005 5:44 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Yuin: LIke is said... It's my honest opinion... I did not claim I did any research and I wrote the whole post out of my memory and understanding...

What's bugging you???

November 16, 2005 5:48 pm  
Blogger NahDeeAhh said...

And btw; all this talk on God? People can interpret things the way they want. Why does every church have to believe the same way? I believe any love is good, regardles of the particular body-shape of the participants.

Any form of love is good? Say a 21 year old girl and an 80+ year old man are in love and want to start a family. Nothing wrong with that, right? She is after all of legal age and can make her own decision. But what if this girl is that man's granddaughter?

Would this be the right love to be showing each other?

Even biologically theres intersx infants (what used to be called hermaphoridites)

I believe you mean haemophrodite. Well, they can not choose what body they are born into, but they can choose the lifestyle they want to live.

A lot of what you put forth as arguments about homosexuality sound like something one would find off godhatesfags.com

Oh NAWWWW. God don't hate them fags, yo. He hate the homosexuality. He don't hate the playa' yo. He hate the game. You hearin me' dawg?

I digress, enough of the fun.

Let's put it into scenario. This is Mr. Mathers. (Shut up. That's his name.) He has an 18 year old son. His name is Kyle. Now, Kyle is your regular bad ass child. Let's take it one notch up, he's a SERIAL RAPIST! *Shock*. SERIAL ANIMAL RAPIST, THAT IS! *Double shock* His father knows he's a serial *ahem* animal rapist.

He does not condemn his child because no matter what, he loves his child. He condemns his child's actions. He doesn't hate his son, he hates what his son does.

Just like God loves the homosexuals, but hates the homosexuality.

November 16, 2005 7:02 pm  
Blogger NahDeeAhh said...

Sorry, hermaphrodite.

November 16, 2005 7:10 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm krichira at livejournal and I don't have a blog, so I'll post pseudo anonymously. I was pointed towards here by a friend, and I just felt this need to talk about some of the points you raised.

1. Women without medical conditions do use lubrication as well. Sometimes, God gives a nan a really large penis and lube will really help ease the way. I'm not mocking, this is true. It also helps ease the first time for virgins and make it more enjoyable. First time sex can be painful without the lube if the virgin is too anxious. Anyhow, even if the women do have medical conditions, I'm sure they're allowed to have sex with lube and no one would call it 'unnatural sex'.

2. Changing one's sex is against God's will because it is altering God's creation. I just want you to think on this then: Plastic surgery changes what God gives you too. People change their noses all the time now. Maybe you think that's wrong too. How about babies born with birth defects? Surgeries can change a large portion of their physical self to enable them to walk, talk and live like a normal human being. No surgeries might mean a shorter life or one filled with misery. To change or not to change?

3. This binary and stereotype thing. It's raising strange points in my head. Does that mean single parents should not raise kids of the opposing gender? What if the other spouse passed away? What if their situation is so dire AFTER they had kids that there is no one else to take care of the kids but by him/herself? Should they give them up for adoption?

Also, I'm not entirely sure being stereotyped from birth is a good thing anymore. If I was to follow your concept of being stereotyped from birth, having followed a good mother figure (which I have), identified with her and not get confused, then I suppose I should still be in the kitchen, training to be a good housewife, while my brother should have an interest in cars and go out to have a career (since we had a good father figure too)? For some reason though, I've broken out of the stereotype and have found myself mostly in pants and studying to be an engineer, a male-dominated career. Am I in the wrong? Should I stop and go back to cooking?

What I mean is...why on earth is stereotype good? We would be going backwards in time to the days where women were little more than breeding mares and men dictated the world. And being raised by single parents is different, but it won't change your sexuality. I have a male friend surrounded by women who raised him and he is most definitely straight. I know lots of kids with single parents and they're straight. Just as I know people who have perfectly good lives raised by both parents who are undeniably homosexual.

Sometimes, it's not a choice, but what they are.

4. About your reply on minority in this world... I believe you said something about 'mutants' and 'weren't born normal'. Might I remind you that God created them too? In this modern day, the minority have the right to speak up. We no longer treat them like dirt. If we were to ignore all the minority, call them 'mutants' or view them as inferior, then we should be tossing the blacks back into slavery or maybe those little tribes living in the jungles should just be wiped out completely.

Lastly, to NahDeeAhh:
Come on, comparing the gays to serial rapists. That's like so done before in every gay bashing thread there is out there. Because obviously being gay, even if you're as saintly as someone like Mother Theresa maybe, will still make you equivalent to a serial rapist. That argument is so last year~

November 16, 2005 10:45 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Nahdeeah: At last someone who shares (almost) the same view as I do. Sometimes I wonder why the world is so 'overprotective' of the minority. Not that we shouyldn't love them, but why are they taking them as refence points? I'm sure there's a large portion of them that wants to live like the rest of the majority. However, your example of the animal rapist is indeed a tad over-board... But point taken.

krichira: It seems that I can't say anything right at the moment eh? However it is still my prerogative to explain myself (over and over again).

Well, firstly I thank you for opening my mind to the 'large sized organ that needs lubes.' I seriously have not thought of it that way. Enlightening. However I do feel that it's not a very good argument 'for' the homosexuals since they NEED lubes. And a large portion of the population has natural lubes.

Plastic surgeries have caused a lot of pain and problems too. But there's a big difference when something is a matter of life and death and a matter of 'augmentation & beautification'. I have nothing against the beautification of the human form, but if given the choice, I would prefer not to get any implants or alterations, nor will I complain about my partner's form. This is simply because it is a foreign object inserted into your everchanging body, and it may simply cause complecations after its 'shelf-life'.

And besides, from a Biblical point of view (and I am arguing this issue from a Christian's point of view), every sin that is done inside or outside the body affects only the body, but sexual sin involves the soul. And religion's main purpose is to get people into the life after death, the saving of souls. That's why sexual sin is different from every other sin.

And once again, i find myself explaining that Binaries are the building blocks of meaning making. They tell you the two extremes of a prism and let you make meaning of everything in between (insert theory of relativity here).

And I also feel that your statement on a child's upbringing is slightly confusing. One moment you sound like you're saying that however you are brought up does not influence who you are, or what you choose to be. Then at the very end, you say that it's not a choice that homosexuals become homosexuals? It's just how they are? How they have become? So what? Nature forced them into being homosexuals?

And stereotyping in a negative sense is not good. But why can't we look at stereotyping from a positive point of view? It makes meaning making easier. What is hot is hot. What is cold, is simply cold. If a baby is born with a phallus, then it's a boy. If the baby is born without, it's a girl. what's so confusing about that? As for the 'in-betweens' or 'boths' they are the exception to the general rule. (and yet again I have to say this) I have nothing against them. *And I did not call them inferior. You did. (Sorry for this hit under the belt, but you have misunderstood me.)*

November 17, 2005 9:57 am  
Blogger NahDeeAhh said...

Lastly, to NahDeeAhh:
Come on, comparing the gays to serial rapists. That's like so done before in every gay bashing thread there is out there. Because obviously being gay, even if you're as saintly as someone like Mother Theresa maybe, will still make you equivalent to a serial rapist. That argument is so last year~


OMG, YOU STUPID IS IT?! Where in my post did I compare gays to serial rapists?! Kyle Mathers is a serial animal rapist, but that is merely his character in this scenario. He can be a friggin' porn star for all I friggin' care and the story would still be the same. Okay, ad-lib a little then. Cut out ALLLLL the words "Serial", "Animal" and "Rapist". Replace with "Homosexual". Does that look better now?

Did I say Gay = Serial Rapist?
NO!

THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE FATHER STILL LOVES HIM! WTF HAVE YOU BEEN READING, HUH?! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS TAKE IN THE NEGATIVE SIDE JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING TO FLAME ABOUT! PSHT!

*Smacks hand*

Sorry, I mean. *Cough* It's just my opinion. I didn't intend on "gay bashing". I'm not an "OMGWTFBBQ! YOU'RE GAY?! DIE!!" kinda person. I do have gay friends. *Shrug*

Instead of telling me my argument is.. and I quote.. "So last year", why don't you try reading and figuring out what my post really meant, huh?

Fine, I don't want to start a flame war at a strangers blog. I've given my opinion and that's that.

Have a nice day.

November 17, 2005 11:10 am  
Blogger Chief said...

i find it most amusing that it's always the Christians that are 'on the defensive'. plus i find even if one wins the argument, you still cannot get them onto your side.

November 17, 2005 2:11 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Chief: Well, when Christians go on the offenseive, we're deemed to be 'not-loving'.. and that according to the world, is against the teaching of the Bible...

November 17, 2005 2:33 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SaDdNesZ.jc:

1. Quote, "However I do feel that it's not a very good argument 'for' the homosexuals since they NEED lubes". What I was trying to say actually is that homosexuals needing lube to have sex is not a good argument 'for' the opinion that gay sex is unnatural. You would be surprised how many straight couples use lube for sex. Many need the lube to have non-painful sex. Loads of lubes in stores are aimed towards straight people.

I think you would also be surprised to find that a lot of animals, creatures of nature, have homosexual tendencies. Which would imply that homosexuality is actualy not at all unnatural!

2. This plastic surgery topic is fascinating. What about if you're doing a surgery to correct a lisp? Or gain back your eyesight? Nothing that would threaten your life if you didn't do the surgery, but would certainly improve life if you did it. Imagine what it's like for a blind person to be able to see again or for a person to be able to talk without being humiliated by others? In a way, it wouldn't affect their mortality, but it could make them happier. Now, some people feel they've been born into the wrong body and with a sex change, they could have a chance at happiness. So...which is right or wrong?

I'm not a Christian, which is why we'll have to agree to disagree that sexual sin involves the soul. Because for me, I believe more of 'if it hurts others, it's bad'. If it doesn't, then it's not bad (doesn't make it good, just makes it not a sin to me).

3. Again, probably will disagree on the binaries thing. I just don't believe in absolutes when it comes to human beings. After all, we all have testosterone and estrogen in us, with some of us being more girly or more boyish without being homosexual either. We don't have The Absolute Female or The Absolute Male. And, we're supposed to make meaning of the in-between yes? So for the in-between, the homosexuals, the transexuals...the meaning we make is that...they're wrong? I thought that would just make them different or not-absolute.

Actually, I was emphasizing more on your opinion on single parents than the binary theory. What I asked was, "Does that mean single parents should not raise kids of the opposing gender? What if the other spouse passed away? What if their situation is so dire AFTER they had kids that there is no one else to take care of the kids but by him/herself? Should they give them up for adoption?"

4. Quote, "One moment you sound like you're saying that however you are brought up does not influence who you are, or what you choose to be."
Ehm, no. That's a very specific statement. What I was addressing was your point that if you're raised with certain good parental figures, you'll follow a stereotype. As you said, if a boy has a good father figure, he'll wear pants, likes cars, gadgets, so on. I was refuting that point because life just doesn't work that way. Sometimes you're female, but your body gets a little more testosterone than it should. You become more aggressive, you like sports, you like roughing with the boys despite your mother's good influence. Or sometimes, you just don't like being in the kitchen. I'm saying that having perfectly great parental figures does not ensure you turn out straight. How you are raised will probably affect the kind of person you become (though there are people who defy that as well) but it does not determine what sexuality you will have. I definitely did not say that how you are raised does not influence you at all.

Quote again, "you say that it's not a choice that homosexuals become homosexuals? It's just how they are? How they have become? So what? Nature forced them into being homosexuals?"
Actually, that IS what I'm saying. Except for the nature forcing them part because nature doesn't really care what you do, it just is what it is.

Studies have shown that homosexuality is not a choice nor is it a cause from environment alone. I won't say environment have no effect at all. Here are some links because research is always fun:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm
- Different viewpoints on what homosexuality is and what causes it. This is a pretty good article as it covers both the religious and scientific viewpoints. I'm with the scientific viewpoints of course.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus3.htm
- Studies on why genes can cause homosexuality. Again, rather good. They bring up both sides of the arguments.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/bulgarians/nih-nyt.html
- More details and explanation on genes being one of the factors towards causing homosexuality.

http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/sexualorientation.html
- Covers several factors of what might cause homosexuality, including genes, environment and hormones.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe1.htm
- Whether or not homosexuality is changeable.

5. I dislike stereotypes as a matter of opinion. Stereotypes so easily lead to discrimination. And stereotypes often mean assumptions for a large number of people which aren't always true. If you're not thin and beautiful, you can't be popular. If you don't score well in school, you're assumed as not smart. People aren't just 'hot is hot' or 'cold is cold' kind of simple. That's too generalized.

Quote, "And stereotyping in a negative sense is not good. But why can't we look at stereotyping from a positive point of view?" I'm not sure what exactly is a positive point of view for stereotyping though...

*shrugs* I used the word inferior because of the way you refer to the minority, quote, "Excuse me, but to drive this point across, I would have to go as far as to deem them 'mutants'. This is because they weren't born 'normal' as compared to the 99% of the world", unquote.

That just sounded contemptuous to me. Not normal does not equal bad. As I said, they were created by God too. Being minority does not mean they should be overlooked. It's like those nearly extinct animals we have out there. Should we start ignoring them because they're the minority? After all, we humans vastly out-populate them. With humans, we have ethnic groups, midgets, albinos...there's a lot of minority to take out of consideration.

However, I'm not saying that we should use the minorities as reference points either. But we should never forget them just because they're fewer. Just because they don't fit into the arguments doesn't mean they should be excluded from consideration at all. This is what being a human being is about. We're all different. It doesn't make us wrong or bad.

November 17, 2005 9:45 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was me, Krichira, by the way. I'm not used to posting anonymously.

NahDeeAhh:
OMG! You mean when I said that your statement has been so done before and it's so last year, I'm actually FLAMING you while when you say, 'OMG, YOU STUPID IS IT?!' and 'THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE FATHER STILL LOVES HIM! WTF HAVE YOU BEEN READING, HUH?! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS TAKE IN THE NEGATIVE SIDE JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING TO FLAME ABOUT! PSHT!' you're actually being totally rational and intelligently rebuking my statement! Like...WOW!

I wasn't flaming you actually. If I was, there would be a whole lot more capitals and creative foul language in my original post. I was however mocking you. Yes, that, I admit to, and quite without remorse.

I'm still mocking by the way, not flaming.

I did read your post and this is what I got out of it.

In an attempt to try to get us to understand why God might hate homosexuality, but love homosexuals, you have brought up Kyle Mathers, who is a serial animal rapist, and told us that his father still loves him but not the act of rape. In that context, I want to know how anyone can think that you are NOT saying that the act of serially raping animals is equivalent to being homosexual. You have brought these two separate cases up side by side, pointed it out to us, and say, "Hey, similar situation, and the dad still loves you". The impression anyone (except for yourself most likely) would get from reading that is that the wrongness of being homosexual is about as bad as serial animal rape. What I got was that you were searching for something bad that a son could do that could probably equal to being homosexual and you came up with serial animal rapist.

Maybe that was not your intention. But that's how it came across. You might have a whole truck full of homosexual friends but you certainly sound like you think their existence is wrong.

Also, I said you compared gays to serial animal rapists, not that "Gay = Serial Rapist?".

And to clear things up, I am still not flaming you.

November 17, 2005 10:08 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

K: This is the third day we're in this topic...

Why is it so important to you othat you refute all my points?

1. I would have to totally disagree with you on the animals being homosexuals. I simply cannot bring myself down to the level that is similar to dogs? We are human beings for crying out loud. We are given intellect, we are given free will, we have something that dogs don't have, which is spirituality. Why would you want to equate homosexuality to the level of the animal kingdom? So when it comes to studying, intellect, and freedom of choice, we are humans? but when it comes to sexuality we're no better than dogs? C'mon... you can't be more dualistic...

2. About plastic surgery, I still cannot grasp your point on a life threatening surgery and a life changing surgery. Life threatening cases need to be operated on to svae one's life. But life changing procedures are a matter of choice. And you were saying that homosexuals/transexuals for that matter do not become how they are as a matter of choice? However, I agree with you about the enhancing and improving one's life bit, but isn't that too a choice? You can choose to live with what you have been born as, or you can choose to change it. Where does nature come in? With regards to this matter, it's of no use if we establish what is right and what is wrong simply because I would look at it from a Christian's point of view. And my view is that the 3 churches that presided over this transexual marriage has misrepresented the Christian faith. You, who uphold a different faith, would deem such an act as 'nothing unusual'.

3. Well, with regards to the single parents; Isn't this phenomenon something called 'a broken family'? And that is, again, something out of the norm. If you read carefully, I am not instigating that single parents should put up thier kids for adoption or anything. I am only instigating that couples who cannot afford give thier children due care not get themselves pregnant just yet. Single parents have to struggle more, and I believe that kids brought up in single parent families also suffer from 'not having a normal family'. That is not their doing of course, but it is up to them how to live their lives.

With regards to the binaries, like I said, it's all for the sake of meaning making. If you're not told what are the two extremes of something, then you can't relate to anyhting in between. No? But still, the in-between guys/gals/guayls can choose to live in the two extremes, or they can choose to live in the middle. It's a matter of choice. And sometimes, they choose wrongly. We all do at some point in our lives. However, there some choices in our lives that are irreversable, and retribution comes at a very high price.

sigh... i would like to discuss more about this, but i'm getting sick and tired of this issue.

So let's just agree to disagree.

Besides, the main point that I wanted to highlight with this post of mine is that the Christian faith shouldn't have gone so low as to acknowledge this transexual marriage as the Holy Scriptures clearly speaks against it.

Peace out.

November 18, 2005 9:45 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

god is Dead.
And no one cares.
If there is a Hell.
I'll see you there.

November 18, 2005 10:29 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Anon: I would just like to ignore you... however...

I choose to live a godly life in faith that I will go to heaven. In the end, if there's really no heaven, then I would have lost nothing.

But if i chose to live an ungodly life, and in the end there's heaven. then i lose everything...

makes sense to you??

So, I don't actually intend to meet you there, if that's where you truly intend to go...

November 18, 2005 10:48 am  
Blogger Chief said...

after all that is said
God still rules !
remember everthing that happens is His-story

November 18, 2005 11:23 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

I still don't like ppl who take a cowardly swipe at me and remain anonymous...

cowards...

November 18, 2005 12:09 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheep-boy,

Baa...
Bend over and prepared to be sheared.

Ave Satanas.

Bob the Debelworshipper.

November 18, 2005 1:08 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You think that way because your mom & dad & authority figures tell you to.

Lemming.

November 18, 2005 1:10 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Chief said...

after all that is said
God still rules !
remember everthing that happens is His-story"

If you're the retard in the pic, then we understand.

November 18, 2005 1:11 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyhow, the church has always evolved, albeit slowly. this could be a sign of times to come. Don't worry la, long time more."

Religion will die out.
Evolution has thus spake.
It is sad, though, as there will be fewer sheep to ridicule.

Baa.

November 18, 2005 1:14 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

bob?: You're just here to spread hatred aren't you?

November 18, 2005 1:38 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" bob?: You're just here to spread hatred aren't you?"

Not really, just to ridicule you lemming-sheep! It's fun! Fun! Fun!

That's all we can do now since feeding people to lions is illegal!

F*ckin' with Fundies is funny!

Now go on and tell your mommy what the the big bad Debel man said.

Satanas! Inte Domine!

November 18, 2005 1:49 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Bob: If you want to make a statement, make a statement. Don't go taking swipes at people you know nothing about.

Besides, the stuff you see on this post is my opinion on a matter. What other people may think can be relevant or it can be irrelevant to what I intended to mean.

So... If you want to pick a fight, then fight like a man. Stop wasting my comments space by childish name calling and trying to instigate fear in our pitiful lives just because you worship the devil. Heck you don't even have the balls to spell the devil's name correctly.

November 18, 2005 3:34 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

As for the other accidental readers, please feel free to indulge, engage and cast your opinions on the matter.

However, i would appreciate it if you stop posting childish swipes at some petty spelling mistake in the post. That only shows me that you have been angered by what I said but have not got the brains to slug it out with me. As for tthose who has a point, I welcome your point of view.

Bring it on...

November 18, 2005 3:39 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kri here.

I think you've misunderstood me mostly. I'm not here to try to refute your points. I'm here trying to present a different view point from yours which you have not considered. This is because you seem to have a very narrow point of view of homosexuality in general (meaning, you don't have much knowledge on the matter) and I just wanted to express that not everything is as simple as you think it is.

1. That is unfortunately not my point. I did not say that we are no better than animals and that when it comes to sexuality, we're no better than dogs. However, you were implying that homosexuality is unnatural and what I wanted to say was that if nature instills homosexuality in animals and humans, why on earth is it unnatural? As animals are incapable of rational thought and cannot be influenced into being 'gay', then it is part of nature isn't it? Then why would homosexuality be unnatural?

2. Again, you didn't get what I meant about plastic surgery. I understand that you think life-threatening surgery is fine. But what I was asking is do you believe that all life-changing and enhancing surgeries are wrong, or just sex change surgeries? Refer to previous post for examples.

3. Single parenthood does not equal a broken family. If one parent dies, it does not equal a broken family. A family that falls into bankruptsy does not equal a broken family. I brought up the single parenthood question because from your original post, it seemed contemptuous of single parents, as if it's their fault and irresponsibility for bringing a child to this world when they're single. In reality, that's not always the case. People die, leaving their spouses alone, it does not equal a broken family. Many single parents have successfully brought up their children who have also turned out straight and perfectly fine. Having both a father and a mother does not equal a normal family either. You have abusive, dysfunctional 'whole' families all over the world.

I'm not sure if you read what I posted on genetics and all the informative links, but that's my argument on why homosexuality isn't always a choice. If you're saying that just because you're homosexual, doesn't mean that you HAVE TO sleep with people of your same gender, then I ask you to imagine, as a straight person, what it's like to be told by other people that you can only have gay sex to be normal.

I won't reply anymore since you're not interested and I doubt that you want to learn more about homosexuality, you just want to state your opinion on it. I had to reply to this post of yours because I just wanted to raise a few questions to you as food for thought.

November 18, 2005 8:53 pm  
Blogger sephirot said...

wow.. i see you've brought up an interesting topic and some interesting comments too =)

cool out readers, this is a free blog and the author have the right to express whatever he feels. Just show us some peace, will you?

November 19, 2005 3:15 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Response 1: "Heck you don't even have the balls to spell the devil's name correctly."

Followed by Your Response 2: "However, i would appreciate it if you stop posting childish swipes at some petty spelling mistake in the post. That only shows me that you have been angered by what I said but have not got the brains to slug it out with me."

Typical fundie proof by contradiction.

Sheep boy, if you didn't glean my point from my erudite captionesque and highly entertaining posts it's this:

Whenever fundies don't understand anything, like why a guy would like to pack another guy's fudge, or why a chick would like to much rug rather than chow down on pole meat, or how we came from protein strands to ameobas, to monkeys to fundies and humans, you fall back on your user manual and your "intelligent designer"/deity.

It's damn pathetic.

Stick to lighting candles and humping altar boys.

Leave the intellectual discourse to those who don't have to check with their father who art in hebben everytime they want to take a piss.

Light of the Morning

November 19, 2005 4:20 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

K: It seems to me that you have a very complicated point of view. well, for me, I would like to deem homosexuality as unnatural simply because the end product, well, in physical terms, there is no end prodcut. And the fact that you will need artificial stimulants to perform homosexuality tells of its nature. Lubes for men to insert thier penises into another man's bunghole, and dildo's for women. If it were natural, the man living inside the jungle would be able to do this without 'help'.

As with single parent families, I say that they are broken because it is incomplete. Broken doesn't necessarily mean a parent left the family on bad terms. It becomes broken when it is not complete. However, when I posted my comments on the notion that parents who do not have time to give to children should hold thier horses, it is to instigate that as human beings, we have a responsibility to our kids!

Other arguments: point taken.

And Bob, you're just annoying... nothing more... Whatever you are attempting will bear no fruit. God, is always better than Satan, and that is the truth. If Satan were more powerful than God, you wouldn't be so bothered to disturb me and try to get me annoyed. If Satan, which you worship and adore is so great, and you know it, you'd laugh off whatever I have written down as bullshit instead of trying to anger me and annoy me.

And you're just like him. Petty.

November 19, 2005 9:30 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fundie boy,

Have you actually had sex with a 3-dimensional human female?

Lots of love,

Beezlebob

November 19, 2005 2:29 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"God, is always better than Satan"

But the Devil's hell of a lot more fun at parties!

November 19, 2005 8:06 pm  
Anonymous Mortisha said...

Bob, don't be such a shit head.

Who are you kidding? The devil you're worshipping is just gonna eat you alive. after all, he IS the devil. what kinda mercy is he gonna show on you? none. suffer all you want, if you choose to learn the hard way.

Then burn in the pits of hell, never to turn back again. Suffer the lashes of fire, strokes of seven by seven. do not be taken by deception. he gives no f*** about you.

Fun and games don't last forever. there are more who care about you regardless of who you try to be. think for yourself. what do you want from hell? look at who you've really become. look at those who actually love you. is this who you actually want to be?

Don't live in denial. though u refuse to show it, you're suffering. don't put on a mask and disguise yourself. the devil does not help. Trust me on this. Satan will not give you power over others but take it for himself. don't hide under him. why do you worship someone who hates your guts more than you hate everyone else?

What's all this hate going to give you? Satisfaction of what sort? You don't gain anything, but lose everything. The devil will NOT praise your actions. There's no use to keep denying. We know. Your freedom will not last once you've reached the bottom.

Make the right choice. You only live once. NEVER regret it. Free yourself from the devil while you're given the chance to.

Don't DESTROY yourself.

Don't let me be the one to bury your corpse.

November 20, 2005 1:40 am  
Blogger sephirot said...

Bob... please come back to your senses. Mortisha's right, the devil is the worst thing you wanna bet your life on. What's the use of giving glory to him when u have to accompany him to suffer in hell forever? life's not about having fun but living it to the fullest and living it meaningfully for God. Think about it.

November 20, 2005 2:47 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm...

My post = 11 words (sans quotes)

Resulted in:

Mort + Seph's posts = exactly 333 words (= 666/2!)

Now that's Infernal Efficiency for you!

Ave Diabolique my kiddies!

BTW if not for the Devil, we'd be wandering around figuring what trees dad lets us eat fruit from.

November 20, 2005 6:00 am  
Blogger lainieyeoh said...

"I would like to deem homosexuality as unnatural simply because the end product, well, in physical terms, there is no end prodcut"

Oh well. I wish you didn't think that way, but heck. For all the talk of the soul, there's a lot to be said about love in relationships, not just about makin babies.

November 20, 2005 12:23 pm  
Anonymous Mortisha said...

Bob first of all, 333 is NOT 666. That is a lame excuse for empowering the devil.

Second, has He not told Adam and Eve NOT to eat the fruit? they knew they were not to eat it. But the serpent came to DECIEVE them. I'm sure you know that resulted in the fall of mortals. Yet, God has still given us a chance to repent.

Now the very same thing is happening again. God has told us to stay away from the devil and works of evil. Some choose not to listen (you). The devil is doing what he is here for, to deceive us. Don't fall into his hypnotising trance.

In this picture you are now Eve and we Adam. Don't bear the fruits of the devil and spread it to the rest, it'll just result in the death of your sou and othersl. Don't be lied to. You are worth much more than what he uses you for.

Think I don't understand? I have fallen before. Not as deep as you, but the same barrier between God and you existed in my life. The devil targeted to destroy me, the same way he's hooking you now. I chose to break free of his chains, my life felt like it was burning and being ripped apart. Be careful what you get into, it's not joke.

No matter what you do, God still loves you very much even though you choose to banish Him. It's harder than that. He won't let go of you.

Think again. You're given another chance. Don't choose the path to your own death but redeem yourself. Please think about it. Your life is worth more than what the devil offers you, much more.

Don't let the devil rip you apart.

God loves you SO much.

Remove the cast over your eyes and see.

November 20, 2005 2:37 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What's all this hate going to give you?"

Morty baby! I never mentioned I hated anything or anyone.

Sheep boy got the butthole surfers & rug munchers mad, saying fudge packin' and rug munchin' was unnatural.

Then they got him mad. Because they felt butthole surfin' and rug munchin' felt too good to be unnatural.

OK. Perhaps there wasn't anything about rug munchin' mentioned but I figured I'd throw that in since it didn't really result in procreation and if you're not plannin on siring little fundies with pointy heads and waving index fingers when you bump ugly, then that's unnatural.

Then I came in.

And wrote parables and aphorisms.

And he got mad. For he is still young and there is a spark of the dark side in him.

I'm not angry at anything.

I love you all. Even the fundies.

Because you're funny, shiny happy people, holding hands.

On a mission from god.

Walk the Left Hand Path with me.
You only live once.
Let's make it one big party.
Your brain will thank you for it.

Brimstone Bob

P.S. Are you a chick?
P.P.S If you are. Are you hot?
P.P.P.S If you're not, that's a pretty gay nick.

November 20, 2005 2:40 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Oh well. I wish you didn't think that way, but heck. For all the talk of the soul, there's a lot to be said about love in relationships, not just about makin babies."

Goddamit fuckin' is fun.
No need to go too deep into it.
Pun intended.

November 20, 2005 3:42 pm  
Anonymous Mortisha said...

Bob,

Yes we only live once, therefore we shouldn't afford to make the same mistake twice. Comprehende? Make the right decison and don't regret it. People do care.

Besides, if i just use my mind to make my decisions, i think i'd be haywire right now. My heart and mind, body and soul, is dedicated to God, and it shall forever be His and to glorify His name.

To answer your question(s), yes I am female. bout the other two, I shall leave no comment.

Think about it Bob. Don't get yourself in deeper shit than you already have.

Think wisely.

November 20, 2005 4:12 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Bob.. I was an Atheist and Satan's Diciple and it ALMOST killed me. I was saved by an angel and then God himself. I don't really care what, who or how you are. But if you're not open minded to other posibilities then i shall not say anymore. Don't insult her. And don't insult Him.

November 20, 2005 5:04 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Besides, if i just use my mind to make my decisions, i think i'd be haywire right now. My heart and mind, body and soul, is dedicated to God, and it shall forever be His and to glorify His name."

Tish: It is good that you've found a viable framework to bring peace to you.

However, not everyone requires an external one.

Apologies for being obnoxious to you. You seem to be a good person.

My issue is with the kneejerk holybook thumping fundies who try to use "scientific" points to justify something totally unscientific, faith.

You either got it or you don't. No theorems, lemmas or proofs are going to give it to you.

****

Anon: Open mindedness works in many ways and its a been there done that with the middle eastern Abrahamic based religion bit for a non trivial amount of time.

My epiphany was opposite yours. Saw my light from a different source.

If you'd tried both sides and selected the most viable for yourself, good for you.

Just because one side didn't work out for you doesn't mean it won't for others.

Bob Infernium

November 21, 2005 2:38 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From 'The Key of The Mysteries' by Eliphas Levi:

"The angel of liberty was born before the dawn of the first day, before even the awakening of intelligence, and God called him the morning star.

O Lucifer! Voluntarily and disdainfully thou didst detach thyself from the heaven where the sun drowned thee in his splendour, to plow with thine own rays the unworked fields of night!

Thou shinest when the sun sets, and thy sparkling gaze precedes the daybreak!

Thou fallest to rise again; thou tastest of death to understand life better!

For the ancient glories of the world, thou art the evening star; for truth renascent, the lovely star of dawn.

Liberty is not licence, for licence is tyranny.

Liberty is the guardian of duty, because it reclaims right.

Lucifer, for whom the dark ages have made the genius of evil, will be truly the angel of light when, having conquered liberty, at the price of infamy, he will make use of it to submit himself to eternal order, inaugurating thus the glories of voluntary obedience."

November 21, 2005 3:00 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

I was gonna post this as an independent post. But...

Ok. This is to those who think that this homosexuality thing is basic instinct and 'natural, and all, and to the fella who thinks that Christians do not have sex...

Imagine a new born baby's mind as an empty hard disk.

Your BIOS, at the age of 0 to around 2 is just 'Eat when hungry, sleep when tired, shit when you need to.'

So, what OS you install into the system will determine how the little fella acts and reacts to stimulants/inputs from society. Well, if your parents left it to society (TV/Radio/Internet) to install the systems for you, then I don't blame you that you have a skewed view on life.

As for sexual orientation, we do not actually know about our own sexuality until we 'almost' reach puberty. As for 5 year olds are concerned, they just know that boys and girls are different. So... In my honest opinion, homosexuality is not something that can be justified as natural. To me, it happens because parents did not actually teach their kids how to distinguish themselves as either a boy or a girl.

Re-format, anyone?

November 21, 2005 9:52 am  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

and Bob,

I'm starting to get the idea that you're just a satanist wannabe...

and you are trying to counter your own inferiority complexes by trying to make us fear you. You are no superior than us Christians. We do not fear satan.

Well, maybe you could enlighten me on a topic. A Satanist will normally have to go through an exorcism if they turn to Christianity. But for a Christian to turn to satan worshipping, they just need to say 'Can I join?'.

So.. who are you messing with? really??

November 21, 2005 9:57 am  
Anonymous mortisha said...

Well Bob,

I've said enough. It's your own choice. I don't need to repeat over and over again.

Satan is nothing but deception and lies.


Make the right choice

November 21, 2005 1:07 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tish: I like you.
You're not like these other kids.
That live in this trailer park.
I bet you're a hottie.
That's a compliment.

***

Rev Fundie Boy: I like you too. In a different sort of way.

You haven't answered my question. You are addressing issues pertaining to sex and describing same sex butthole surfing and oyster diving as unnatural.

Give us an inkling that you have some idea about what you're talking about. Since all your "scientific facts" are everything but.

Have you had "natural" sex with a live 3-dimensional bipedal carbon based humanoid yet?

Warm hamburgers with extra ketchup and cheese while thumbing through Marie Claire under the sheets in your dorm do not count.

Or are you still a virgin, saving yourself for the right girl, who's saving herself for the right boy?

There's nothing wrong being a virgin.

Heh, OK. There is if you're a 24 year old male in this day and age.

Ave Luciferum illuminati est omnibus!

November 21, 2005 2:59 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Bob, i'll ansswer you once you can justify what my personal sex life has got to do with the issue? So what if i've not done it with a woman before? So what if i did?

It still won't change my point of view on the fact that in order to enter someone's bung-hole, you'd need artificial lubes.

And although i have nothing against sex as recreation, i still don't see any result in lesbianism except the temporal high that one can get out of being able to reach orgasm. I know guys can be disappointing at times when it comes to fast shooting, but still, the human race depends on the making of babies, and we all know that babies are made when a male reproductive cell is merged with a female reproductive cell. I know it's hypothetical, but if everyone in the world turns into a homosexual, then we would simply die out...

Well, maybe that's where we're headed since the scientists are so eager to clone things...

So there you go...

November 21, 2005 3:34 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Bob, i'll ansswer you once you can justify what my personal sex life has got to do with the issue? So what if i've not done it with a woman before? So what if i did?"

FB. You are full of contradictions.

You seem to be eager attack, discuss and air your opinions on *OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSONAL* sexual preferences yet want to make *YOUR* own sex life (if you have one) secret?

Come, come FB.

So now, tell us.

Have you ever had a real woman?

And could you make her come?

BTW, do you find Tish hot?

Bob - Prince of Lays.

November 21, 2005 4:05 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Now we all know that its a question that will either incriminate myself or discriminate myself. And I am not going to do such a thing.

Give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, and to God what belongs to God.. :)

Besides, it's besides the point...

November 21, 2005 4:11 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Now we all know that its a question that will either incriminate myself or discriminate myself."

Come come FB.

I'm sure your xtian brothers and sisters will understand and will not judge for, it is for the almighty who art in hebben to judge, and not their place to cast judgement on your actions.

And I'm just a trivial Debel worshipper who's comments don't mean an iota to you.

Pray tell.

Here just select one:

a) I have had sex at least once with a girl and made her come.

b) I've had sex at with girls but they never came. They call me Quick Draw Mc Graw.

c) I've never had sex with girls.

There you go, just like your driving test.

Bob - Horned and Hooved.

P.S. And don't be afraid if you think Tish is hot. Her postings are stern yet caring. I think you should hook up with her.

November 21, 2005 4:31 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Well, it seems that I can't escape...

But you do understand that if I say I have done it before, then I would be implying that I have been promiscuous and not lived a Godly life.

And if I say that I have not done it before, then you will start questioning my 'relevant experience'.

So.. would you answer such a question if you're in such a situation?

November 21, 2005 4:41 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But you do understand that if I say I have done it before, then I would be implying that I have been promiscuous and not lived a Godly life.

And if I say that I have not done it before, then you will start questioning my 'relevant experience'.
"

Is this Fear I smell?

You are *AFRAID* of *MY* questioning you? After you've pointed out how petty the Devil and I are?

Are you *AFRAID* your xtian brothers & sisters & mom & dad will find out that you've slipped some salami and will not forgive your transgression?

Shall you harbor this burden of guilt until the cows come home (or rapture hits?)

Are you a boy or a man?

Are your arguements not on sufficiently *STRONG* ground to be subject to my questions?

Able to stand behind your convictions.

You accuse me of having an inferiority complex?

I thought the white and silver light shining down from god enveloping you with love would provide you with all the confidence to stand up against anything the Debel could throw up at you.

If you want to make slam the fairies, dykes and TVs, then show them who's a real man.

Et nauseum.

Bob - InvertedCrosses'R'Us

November 21, 2005 4:59 pm  
Blogger lainieyeoh said...

"To me, it happens because parents did not actually teach their kids how to distinguish themselves as either a boy or a girl."

Actually, isn't that a bit of a blanket statement?

I grew up in a family where discussion about sex is open, also I'm close to my mother, whom I assure you is very womanly. And I knew I'm a girl, yknow.

So how?

November 21, 2005 5:22 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Bob: Your tricks don't work on me...

Lainie: Then, that proves that homosexuals are homosexuals by choice, and not a act of god nor nature...

November 21, 2005 5:30 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicks that dig chicks are the cat's meow.

November 21, 2005 5:34 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Bob: Your tricks don't work on me...
"


My tricks to make you stand behind your convicition and be a man?

What a cop out.

This is indeed a symptom of deep inferiority complex problems.

Here let me help you, you pathetic fag slammer:

a) I've never had sex before but I'm qualified because of my belief in the almighty to state my case against people I know nothing about but I believe they are committing sin in the eyes of god.

b) I've fucked a hot chick before. Please forgive me lord. Mom & dad, remember the slumber party I had last year, well it wasn't really Ronald Mc Donald I had in the room.

At first I had an iota of respect for you, fire and brimstone conviction to your god.

You stood up to my mocking.

Now I get the impression you're no better than those flakes that have no backbone but act like their god.

Slamming minorities for PERSONAL choices but not willing to put your own *PERSONAL* actions at risk and up to scrutiny?

You have a promising career in either the Church or Politics.

Bob

November 21, 2005 5:44 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Slamming minorities for PERSONAL choices but not willing to put your own *PERSONAL* actions at risk and up to scrutiny?"

And it is because of that crap that many have taken the Left Hand Path.

Your behaviour is legacy behaviour from pastors, priests and hypocrites
who point the finger but not accept any responsibility or ramifications.

Preach one thing, practice another.

Righteousness my ass.

Bob's Locust Barn

November 21, 2005 5:51 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

thanks Bob for your rather helpful insight into my life... but like i said. I can't answer your question on my own sexual experiences simply because it won't be a smart move.

Maybe you're right.. you've caught my archillis heel...

however, you also understand also that as soon as i give you an answer, then i would incriminate myself by admitting to sleeping around, or discriminate myself by telling ppl that I am speaking purely from a theoratical point of view. As soon as I give you my answer, then the whole article will be read with a bias.

It is one of those boundaries that I can never cross as the author of the article...

November 21, 2005 6:05 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

well, bob, if you could swear to secrecy, then i could email you the truth...

but then, i should never trust the devil, and his followers...

so, have it your way if you must... But I must defend the credibility of the article...

November 21, 2005 6:10 pm  
Anonymous Mortisha said...

Bob,

Thanks for the compliment. I'm flattered. But why say those things when you don't even know me?

Well i think the constant debate with saddnesz will go no where, don't have to keep analyzing his every word. We're all humans, we all make mistakes.

This statement applies to everyone out there too.

Accept the human faults, no one's perfect, so try not to be so analytical. If you can (Still applies to everyone).

Thanks for listening/reading.

November 21, 2005 7:45 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But I must defend the credibility of the article..."

FB: I think you've just nullified it.

***
"Accept the human faults, no one's perfect, so try not to be so analytical. If you can (Still applies to everyone)."


Tish, baby.

God saved you.

Logic and science saved me.

"Accept human faults" should also read "accept human diversity".

Perhaps the boy would benefit from your wisdom.

Launching tirades and postulating ridiculous flawed pseudo scientific "logic" of against a relatively peaceful demographic (though sometime irritating in their political correctness and fashion sense) because he's read the xtian dogma Cliff Notes is going to elicit a non trivial response if he puts it on the net.

A little knowledge can be very dangerous.

If he can't deal with that, he has no place here.

Boy's got an inferiority complex bigger than Texas and overcompensates.

Signs are all over the place.

Bob Sans Deux

November 21, 2005 9:30 pm  
Anonymous Mortisha said...

Bob,

No need to keep insulting Saddnesz. He has his rights on the blog, he has his rights to his opinion. So do you. But we're on his territory now. So maybe it's best to cut the feud of both sides and end this. It's just going nowhere, saying nothing.

As long as we've taken each other's words into view, that's better than nothing. Views have been exchanged, it's now up to the individual to decide what's right and wrong (if he/she does not believe in following God's path - no I'm not mocking you btw).

D: You know when God doesnt want His people to pick fights. I guess this is now.

I hope to return to my grave in peace. Cheerio.

November 21, 2005 10:22 pm  
Blogger SaDdNesZ.jc said...

Bob: I am just gonna ignore your calls for me to come clean.

There are two types of authorship that we can adhere to. You can either be the one and only authority over your text. Or you can choose to be totally cut-off from your text as soon as it is published.

The first theory requires 'the death of the reader'. Which means, the text is void of any other meaning than the author's intended meaning. (and if that is the case, my intended meaning is that the 3 churches, as God's representatives on earth, should not have presided over the transexual marriage).

The second theory requires 'the death of the author' (re: Barthes) Which means that the reader is free to make meaning of the text according to the reader's context and background.

So... since you guys have not asked my intended meaning in this article and have judged it as according to what you guys made meaning of it, then i only ask that it remain as such.

hehehehe... another politically correct answer from me... But i do know that it won't satisfy your hunger for the truth. Bottom line is, I am not speaking. I will not be lured into either incriminating and/or discriminating myself.

November 22, 2005 9:36 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, seems to us that bob has already chosen the better side, so might as well let him enjoy it as much as he likes. We've done our job. No point explaining to him over and over again after all he has already made up his mind. All the best bob. God bless~!

November 22, 2005 1:22 pm  

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